Can't get SCG Grip Conversion Kit with GFIII to work

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Can't get SCG Grip Conversion Kit with GFIII to work

Postby FearAngryTrees » Wed May 04, 2022 20:17

Hello there!

I have VKB T-Rudders, a VKB Gunfighter MK3 with MCGU on the right side and a Gladiator NXT on my left side. All of these are working fine so far.
I wanted to upgrade my left Gladiator NXT to use the Gunfighter MK3 Base. I purchased the SCG Grip Conversion Kit and a Gunfighter MK3 Base for that and received it today, but I can't get it to work.

I took the SCG Grip out of the NXT Base, opened the Grip, installed the Kit, closed it and put it onto the Gunfighter MK3 Base. Now, the Blackbox MKII I have shows a blue light on the left side and a flashing red light on the right side.
I opened the VKB software and bootloaded the BlackBox_MK2_GF_SCG_L_v2_09.0.vkb file.

My blackbox is still blue on the left side and red flashing on the right side. In the device config software it registers Axis X and Y (pressing the stick forward/backward + to the left and right side). It doesn't seem to register any twist input and all button inputs are also not registered.

I removed and placed the Grip multiple times off and back on, but I can't get it to work. Please help! :(

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Re: Can't get SCG Grip Conversion Kit with GFIII to work

Postby fallout9 » Wed May 04, 2022 20:53

Press harder on the grip while tightening the fastener after made sure the metal pin beside the top connector of the base got all the way inside the bottom of the grip.

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Re: Can't get SCG Grip Conversion Kit with GFIII to work

Postby FearAngryTrees » Thu May 05, 2022 17:06

As you suggested I have tried putting the SCG/Kosmosima Grip on the Gunfighter base again (and I have a lot of times before). I made sure it's all the way in and the fasteners were tight as well. I made some pictures:
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As before, the blackbox glows blue on one side and is blinking red on the other side. Also, the light at the top of the Grip is not glowing:
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The gunfighter base shows a green light:
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This is what it looks like in the software:
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After this, I removed the SCG/Kosmosima Grip from the newly purchased MK3 Base again. I opened the Grip and put the newly purchased SCG Conversion Kit out and put the Gladiator NXT thing back in. I then installed the SCG/Kosmosima Grip back in the Gladiator NXT Base and it works perfectly fine, as before.

I'm certainly not an expert with VKB Hard- and Software but to me it looks like:
-My old SCG/Kosmosima Grip is working fine
-The newly purchased Gunfighter MK3 Base is most likely also fine
-The SCG Conversion Kit is broken

Am I wrong? Did I do any obvious mistakes? Is there anything else I could still try?

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Re: Can't get SCG Grip Conversion Kit with GFIII to work

Postby fallout9 » Fri May 06, 2022 2:59

Have you pressed the Default button?

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Re: Can't get SCG Grip Conversion Kit with GFIII to work

Postby FearAngryTrees » Fri May 06, 2022 16:41

Yes, a few times actually, but I never got it to recognize the Grip.

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Re: Can't get SCG Grip Conversion Kit with GFIII to work

Postby fallout9 » Sat May 07, 2022 2:48

Try installing the SCG grip on the other base and flash accordingly its Black box.

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Re: Can't get SCG Grip Conversion Kit with GFIII to work

Postby FearAngryTrees » Mon May 09, 2022 21:52

I now removed my MCGU from its Gunfighter MK3 Base and put the SCG Grip with the Conversion Kit on it. The result was the same: On the blackbox a blinking red light on one side and a blue light on the other. No light on the grip itself, but a green light on the Gunfighter MK3 Base. Here is another screen from the software:
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Now while removing my MCGU Grip from its base I noticed that the connection point between the grip and the base look very different if you compare the MCGU grip to the SCG Grip with the Conversion Kit. I made a picture of that:
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As you can see the MCGU (left side) has pins, the SCG with Conversion Kit has these triangle flat shaped things. Maybe that is the problem? If not, is there anything else I can do?

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Re: Can't get SCG Grip Conversion Kit with GFIII to work

Postby fallout9 » Mon May 09, 2022 22:28

First of all, in order to have a grip working on base and Black Box you'll have to flash it with the corresponding firmware. But that doesn't matter anymore because the issue has just show up in your pictures: the SCG grip has a RevA connector and would only work on a RevA base. RevA products have 3 contact pads on the grip and 3 contact pins on the base; RevB are the other way around, with pins on the grip and pads on the base. They're not interchangeable.
So now you either ordered the wrong price or the wrong piece have been shipped to you. Please get in touch with your vendor to fix the issue.

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Re: Can't get SCG Grip Conversion Kit with GFIII to work

Postby FearAngryTrees » Tue May 10, 2022 0:30

When making the purchase, I knew about the Rev.A and Rev.B versions and bought from a page that stated I was buying a Rev.B version: https://flightsimcontrols.com/product/s ... ersion+Kit
Even though I knew there are different versions, I didn't know what they looked like and just assumed I had received the correct version. Thanks to you, I now know what the issue is. I have opened a ticket at the store. Thanks for your help!

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Re: Can't get SCG Grip Conversion Kit with GFIII to work

Postby fallout9 » Tue May 10, 2022 5:01

Right, the RevA is not even listed, so obviously the wrong part has been shipped to you; sorry about that :)

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Re: Can't get SCG Grip Conversion Kit with GFIII to work

Postby FearAngryTrees » Tue May 17, 2022 0:46

Just wanted to post here to witness for any potential readers of this thread: I contacted support, got a very fast response, they send me the right rev-version now and everything is working perfectly! Everybody can make a mistake, so it's important how we deal with them. I'll gladly buy from VKB again. Thanks to the VKB team :)

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Re: Can't get SCG Grip Conversion Kit with GFIII to work

Postby fallout9 » Tue May 17, 2022 6:42

Thank you for your patience and for updating the thread!


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