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Hat Switch A1 not working properly on Gunfighter MK3 with Kosmosima Grip

Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:04
by bravoleader
1 - Device model and version
Gunfighter MK3 With Kosmosima Grip
2 - Controller Firmware version
HID-compliant game controller
Product Name: VKBsim Space Gunfighter
PRO version
T-Link supported
Firmware version: v2.025
Rudder On
3 - Number and type of springs used
1 Sprint on each cam, #10
4 - Тype of cams used
Space-S
5 - If VKB original software is used, please always mention its version
VKB Device config V0.92.17

If the question is in regards to joystick/pedals axes, please additionally post:
6 - Vkbjoytester screenshots. Download it here: http://ftp.vkb-sim.pro/Programms/VKB_JoyTester.zip
7 - Vkbdevcfg-c screenshots. Download it here: http://ftp.vkb-sim.pro/Programms/; make sure you're downloading the newest version.

Hello Guys.
I'm having an issue with the hat switch that I have installed on my Kosmosima on the A1 position. Basically 2 directions (right and bottom) out of the 5 are not working properly. Every now and then I'm able to trigger right but bottom does not work at all when I move the hat in that direction. Is there anything specifically I should check or it is safe to assume the switch is just defective. I have to admit I don't remember if the functionality of this hat degraded over time because after I installed it swapping out the analog axis I didn't really use as I've been using the SEM for some of the features I decided to move to the stick.
Thanks for any hint.

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Re: Hat Switch A1 not working properly on Gunfighter MK3 with Kosmosima Grip

Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:07
by bravoleader
When checking in the software, In the buttons tab, I move the hat and no light comes up in the list of the buttons. I don't have any major config impacting those buttons. I would expect bthem to work all the same but for those 2 directions there's no red light coming up

Re: Hat Switch A1 not working properly on Gunfighter MK3 with Kosmosima Grip

Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:26
by fallout9
Firmware is over 1 year old and software is the most recent, so they don't match. Please flash to the latest following this guide.

Re: Hat Switch A1 not working properly on Gunfighter MK3 with Kosmosima Grip

Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2022 14:50
by bravoleader
Updated and still the button 17 and 18 are not being pressed. I do not think it is a software issue, more an hardware one.
anything else I can try?

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Re: Hat Switch A1 not working properly on Gunfighter MK3 with Kosmosima Grip

Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2022 22:05
by Ron61
In the Profile-Buttons tab, activate the Poll checkbox and move the HAT to make sure that the buttons are physically activated in all positions.

Re: Hat Switch A1 not working properly on Gunfighter MK3 with Kosmosima Grip

Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 1:00
by bravoleader
Hello Ron, that's what I'm trying to say...
I've been doing this and left,top and 'press' result in a key pressed while right and down do not leave any trace. It seems like they do not give any signal

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Re: Hat Switch A1 not working properly on Gunfighter MK3 with Kosmosima Grip

Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 1:40
by bravoleader
I made a video this afternoon

https://youtu.be/6JiW-LaV15I

Re: Hat Switch A1 not working properly on Gunfighter MK3 with Kosmosima Grip

Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 12:22
by Ron61
In this case, it remains only to check the buttons for a short circuit on the removed module with a tester. This will make sure that the module is clearly inoperable, and not something else.

Re: Hat Switch A1 not working properly on Gunfighter MK3 with Kosmosima Grip

Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 13:26
by bravoleader
I do have a tester and I should be able to disassemble the stick again. What and how should I do to check this?

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Re: Hat Switch A1 not working properly on Gunfighter MK3 with Kosmosima Grip

Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 14:09
by Ron61
The module was clamped in a vice (for the convenience of moving the rod) and measured the resistance between the points. Two extreme pins together and single:
nothing pressed - 2k5,
in pitch -1k7
roll - 1k4.
HAT buttons check 1 .jpg
HAT buttons check.jpg

Re: Hat Switch A1 not working properly on Gunfighter MK3 with Kosmosima Grip

Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 14:35
by bravoleader
I do have another hat switch coming from the parts I have from a Gladiator NXT. Can I use these parts on the Gunfighter? My understanding is that the Grip is the same so I should be able to use it. Correct?

I'm not sure I understand those numbers though. Care to explain the meaning of 2k5, 1k7 and 1k4?
Thanks

Re: Hat Switch A1 not working properly on Gunfighter MK3 with Kosmosima Grip

Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 14:56
by Ron61
It's simple - it's kiloohms. Don't bother with it, just select the 20k range on your multimeter when measuring and you should see numbers like this.
The handles are the same and the modules too.
20k.jpg

Re: Hat Switch A1 not working properly on Gunfighter MK3 with Kosmosima Grip

Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 15:01
by bravoleader
To have the hat in a workable state while I find this out, is that ok if a use the hat switch from the gladiator spare parts to use it on the gunfighter?

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Re: Hat Switch A1 not working properly on Gunfighter MK3 with Kosmosima Grip

Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 15:07
by Ron61
I repeat - the GNX and SCG grips are the same. And the HAT modules are interchangeable.

Re: Hat Switch A1 not working properly on Gunfighter MK3 with Kosmosima Grip

Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 16:02
by bravoleader
sorry I did not see it mentioned anywhere, thanks for confirming this.

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