Dead button 20 on one VKB Gladiator NXT

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Dead button 20 on one VKB Gladiator NXT

Postby Dev » Mon Oct 18, 2021 2:31

1 - Device model and version:

HID-compliant game controller
Product Name: VKB-Sim Gladiator NXT R
PRO version
T-Link supported
Firmware version: v2.010

VKB Device Config v0.91.96 (Njoyr32 Firmwar v 2.05.3)

The side stick button (button 20 on my left stick) is not showing as pressed on the right stick when it is pressed.
I have reset the stick to default using the VKB Device Config, and re-calibrated, that does not fix the problem.

Do you have any other trouble shooting suggestions?

Screenshots:
No buttons pressed (VKB Device Config open to right stick):
VKB screenshot 1 - no buttons pressed.png


Button 20 Pressed (VKB Device Config open to right stick):

VKB screenshot 1 - right stick button 20 pressed.png


Buttone 20 pressed on left sitck (Expected behavoir):

VKB screenshot 1 - left stick button 20 pressed.png

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Re: Dead button 20 on one VKB Gladiator NXT

Postby Ron61 » Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:31

You need to first check the button operation at the physical level. To do this, in the Profile-Buttons tab, activate the Poll checkbox and by pressing HAT C1 in all directions, check its response. Attach your profile to a * .zip file for verification.

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Re: Dead button 20 on one VKB Gladiator NXT

Postby Dev » Tue Oct 19, 2021 2:07

Profile attached.
Set it to poll, and started pushing buttons.
Before "defaulting" the lights on the stick went out when plugged in, and no buttons on the stick register

After defaulting, the LED at the top of the stick turned blue, and all of the buttons on the stick registered except C1. (this is the basic NXT - C1 is a button)


While working with it reg 4, col 7 would occasionally light when C1 was NOT pressed, but eventually it stopped.
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Re: Dead button 20 on one VKB Gladiator NXT

Postby Dev » Fri Oct 22, 2021 2:36

Ticket's been in a couple days, is there anything I should try, or just wait?

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Re: Dead button 20 on one VKB Gladiator NXT

Postby Ron61 » Fri Oct 22, 2021 10:41

Answer a simple question - when you activate the Poll checkbox in the Profile-Buttons-Physical layers tab and press C1, what happens? Does the red square light up?

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Re: Dead button 20 on one VKB Gladiator NXT

Postby Dev » Fri Oct 22, 2021 13:59

No.

When I press any other button, a red square lights up, but not C1.

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Re: Dead button 20 on one VKB Gladiator NXT

Postby Ron61 » Fri Oct 22, 2021 14:18

You can disassemble the grip on the disconnected GNX and remove (the twist cable does not need to be disconnected) carefully the board, check the operation of the button with a tester. The photo shows two contacts of the button, which are closed when you press it. Our task is to find the source of the problem.
Did the button work before, right after the purchase?

Button C1.jpg

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Re: Dead button 20 on one VKB Gladiator NXT

Postby Dev » Fri Oct 22, 2021 17:22

I don't have a tester, but I can rig something up with a flashlight. 3V in series with a flashlight bulb won't hurt it, right?

And the button only recently stopped working. It was good for months before then.

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Re: Dead button 20 on one VKB Gladiator NXT

Postby Ron61 » Fri Oct 22, 2021 17:39

Will not damage, you can check with a light bulb.

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Re: Dead button 20 on one VKB Gladiator NXT

Postby Dev » Fri Oct 22, 2021 19:57

OK,

Well took it apart as directed, checked the switch and it was normally open/closed when the button was pushed. (so working normally)

Put the board back on and tried it (Plugged it into the computer, ran VKBconfig, set polling, pushed button): The red square flashed when C1 was pressed and polling was set.

Reassembled the stick and it stopped working...No red square when the button was pushed

Took it apart again, re-tested the switch: Good.

Re seated the board and tested (VFG Config, polling) and no red square

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Re: Dead button 20 on one VKB Gladiator NXT

Postby Ron61 » Fri Oct 22, 2021 21:43

It is possible that contact on the long pins is lost when assembling the handle. It is necessary to carefully examine the scarf with the button and the small connecting one, where the twist cable is connected. Take a close-up photo of these boards from both sides, please.

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Re: Dead button 20 on one VKB Gladiator NXT

Postby Dev » Fri Oct 22, 2021 22:26

Top of the board with the cable:
top-cable.jpg

Bottom of the board with the cable:
bot-cablee.JPG

Top of the board with the switch (hard to get a good angle:
top-swi.jpg


Bottom of the board with the switch:
Bot-switch.jpg

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Re: Dead button 20 on one VKB Gladiator NXT

Postby Ron61 » Fri Oct 22, 2021 22:40

It is worth taking a closer look at the highlighted points and the soldering points of the long pins.

Inkedbot-cablee.jpg

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Re: Dead button 20 on one VKB Gladiator NXT

Postby Dev » Fri Oct 22, 2021 23:16

They look attached, I don't see any marks. They don't move when poked.

The side of the connector with one:
JOINT1.JPG

And with two:
JOINT2.JPG

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Re: Dead button 20 on one VKB Gladiator NXT

Postby Dev » Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:00

So the pads are secure and there is no resistance between the raw pin and the pad for the upper two, and between the pin and the solder dot between the ones labeled VCC and GND on the small board.

Next step?


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