SOLVED - Cannot use one Blackbox with Grip+Twist Adapter and VKB T-Rudder MkIV Pedals?

[roguetrooper]

Can the VKB Rudder pedals be used with the same/one BLACKBOX as a gunfighter III with a MCGPro + Twist Adapter?

SOLVED#1, Answers in this post and HOWTO#1 below
Much thanks to Ron61 and Fallout9

1) I am guessing that rudder-pedals and twist-adapter use the same 'axis' to the pedals would need to be on a separate blackbox (the 2nd one what came with the pedals)?

ANSWER: Yes, as Ron61 & Fallout9 advised:

• "T-Rudder + Gunfighter Pro Mk. III base + MCG PRO with Twist" can all use a single blackbox

• to do so is to lose an axis as the max axis per device is 8

• In this case, the operation of the microstick in the HAT mode will remain, but we can also assign a twist axis to the vacant space (3,4 axis or 5,6 axis).
  Without affecting the default pedal 7th axis.

2) This would be same for MCGPro or Kosmosima too?

[I just received Gunfighter III + MCGPro + Twist and VKB T-Rudder MkIV Pedals, each has its own blackbox, was seeing if I could use just one]

Thanks!!

[Ron61]

In the configurator, you can move one microstick to the 10,11 axis, which are not visible in Windows.
In this case, the operation of the microstick in the HAT mode will remain, but we can also assign a twist axis to the vacant space (3,4 axis or 5,6 axis).
Without affecting the default pedal 7th axis. The configurator is a very powerful tool for bringing any of your fantastic ideas to life.

[roguetrooper]

1 - Device model and version
#1 First BlackBox + T Rudder ----- LEFT with One Blue and one Green-LED
#2 Second Blackbox + Gunfighter Pro Mk. III base + MCG PRO with Twist - RIGHT

2 - Controller Firmware version
#1 VKB-Sum T-Rudder v1.99A
#2 VKB-Gim Gunfighter Modern Combat Pro Twist v1.99A

3 - Number and type of springs used
Not Changed

4 - Тype of cams used
Not Changed

5 - If VKB original software is used, please always mention its version
VKBDevCfg-C_v0.91.34
wizzo_v0_93
ZBootloader-C-v1_18
v1_99_A(2)

6 - Vkbjoytester screenshots. Download it here: http://ftp.vkb-sim.pro/Programms/VKB_JoyTester.zip

7 - Vkbdevcfg-c screenshots. Download it here: http://ftp.vkb-sim.pro/Programms/; make sure you're downloading the newest version.

Problems:
SOLVED! - 1) How to use only ONE blackbox instead of TWO:

Can you please show steps to get T-RUDDER + GF3/MCG-Pro-Twist on the SAME Blackbox?

Solution - Please see HOWTO Steps below

"In the configurator, you can move one microstick to the 10,11 axis, which are not visible in Windows.
In this case, the operation of the microstick in the HAT mode will remain, but we can also assign a twist axis to the vacant space (3,4 axis or 5,6 axis).
Without affecting the default pedal 7th axis. The configurator is a very powerful tool for bringing any of your fantastic ideas to life."


SOLVED! - 2) Microstick#1 (RED) is not working, and no movement in Test screen

Can you please show steps to get MICROSTICK#1 WORKING?

Solution - just press on the center button to swap from buttons mode to axes mode. Thanks Fallout9

[fallout9]

Problem with using both the twist and the rudders on the same Black Box is that's would exceed Windows limitations of 8 axes per device (in this case the 'device' is the Black Box, which is the brain of all the devices connected to it). So on your joystick you'd have 2 axes for pitch and roll, 2 axes for the Gate Cont ministick, 2 axes for the Master Mode ministick, 1 axis for the hand break and 1 axis for the twist - that makes 8 axes, which is, again, the maximum allowed by Windows. Adding the rudders to the device which already has 8 axes in use is possible, but only by removing another axis: either from a ministick or the twist.
Also, that ministick you said it's not working, just press on the center button to swap from buttons mode to axes mode.

[roguetrooper]

Thanks Fallout9 for the ministick TIP!

SOLVED - 1) How to use only ONE blackbox instead of TWO: Solution - HOWTO and Steps in next post
I do understand that I lose an axis, I was just wanting to learn how the software/hardware works.

NOTE#1 Fixing the LED's on the blackbox - enable Developer mode to get LED tab to not flash RED after flashing

I found the post about in Table 10.1.
Section name Parameter Description
...
[User] User=Developer Enables Macro, LEDs, virtual mouse using.

NOTE#2 realising the flip trigger was also a POT that could be mapped (experimenting I found it 'accidentally').